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  1919 What???

  by NikL in

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  i had seen it before but never actually looked.. sure enough in july 15 2013 wt .... 17 in the past, we have stated in our publications that these last four references apply to jesus’ arriving, or coming, in 1918. as an example, take jesus’ statement about “the faithful and discreet slave.” (read matthew 24:45-47.

  ) we understood that the “arriving” mentioned in verse 46 was linked to the time when jesus came to inspect the spiritual condition of the anointed in 1918 and that the appointment of the slave over all the master’s belongings occurred in 1919.

  (mal.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Ya'll just busted my bubble!
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  Has 1919 been abandoned? Is the sky falling?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  i copied the following two items from jw dot orgs site entitled “dates of prophetic significance” at site below:.

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200271564.

  once held to be year when ‘true lord and messenger of the covenant’ came to spiritual temple (mal 3:1): w10 3/15 23; w07 4/1 22; w07 12/15 27-28; jd 179-182; re 31-32, 55-56; w92 12/1 13; w89 4/15 7; w89 7/1 30; w87 6/15 14-15. .

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  FatFreek 2005

  I just did a search for "1919" in my Watchtower Lib and it returned 2425 instances. That is, in all publications since 1950, the Watchtower repeatedly told us how important that date is (or was).

  To me, that doesn't say a lot about their credibility -- or does it?

  Please, Watchtower, don't abandon 1914 just yet. We need more time to digest this wonderful food at the proper time.

  Len
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  Has 1919 been abandoned? Is the sky falling?

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i copied the following two items from jw dot orgs site entitled “dates of prophetic significance” at site below:.

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200271564.

  once held to be year when ‘true lord and messenger of the covenant’ came to spiritual temple (mal 3:1): w10 3/15 23; w07 4/1 22; w07 12/15 27-28; jd 179-182; re 31-32, 55-56; w92 12/1 13; w89 4/15 7; w89 7/1 30; w87 6/15 14-15. .

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  FatFreek 2005

  I copied the following two items from JW dot ORGs site entitled “DATES OF PROPHETIC SIGNIFICANCE” at site below:

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200271564

  1. once held to be year when ‘true Lord and messenger of the covenant’ came to spiritual temple (Mal 3:1): w10 3/15 23; w07 4/1 22; w07 12/15 27-28; jd 179-182; re 31-32, 55-56; w92 12/1 13; w89 4/15 7; w89 7/1 30; w87 6/15 14-15

  2. 1918-1919, once held to be period of anointed’s captivity to Babylon the Great: w16.11 22-23, 27-29

  Number 1 doesn’t give a date but references publications back to 1987. It seems these pubs give 1918 as the “once held” year. Number 2 is explicit, that 1918-1919 have been abandoned.

  My question: If they abandoned 1918 and 1919 (once held) have they replaced them with other dates or are they going to leave us in limbo?

  I mean – What are we going to do without knowing?

  Len
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  The 31 date blunders of Watchtower

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  dates (ad) of events once taught by watchtower as significant but no longer supported since nothing happened.. .

  "but bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.

  zion's watch tower 1894 jul 15 p.226 incredibly, today’s jw’s dishonestly prefer to rewrite history, claiming "jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of "the conclusion of the system of things.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Thanks, Splash and berrygerry. By merging these all and purging the dupes I hope to come up with an exhaustive and up-to-date list of my own -- to share, of course.

  Len
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  The 31 date blunders of Watchtower

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
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  dates (ad) of events once taught by watchtower as significant but no longer supported since nothing happened.. .

  "but bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.

  zion's watch tower 1894 jul 15 p.226 incredibly, today’s jw’s dishonestly prefer to rewrite history, claiming "jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of "the conclusion of the system of things.

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  Hmmmm ... Paul doesn't seem to mention that one. Can you source that?

  Interestingly, he does bring up 1931 but in another prediction,

  "A noteworthy example is the date for the sealing of the 144,000, a date constantly changed. Russell originally set it as being 1878. This was moved to 1881, 1910, 1914, 1925, 1931 and finally 1935. In 2007 it has admitted as unknown.
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  The 31 date blunders of Watchtower

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  dates (ad) of events once taught by watchtower as significant but no longer supported since nothing happened.. .

  "but bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble.

  zion's watch tower 1894 jul 15 p.226 incredibly, today’s jw’s dishonestly prefer to rewrite history, claiming "jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of "the conclusion of the system of things.

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  Dates (AD) of events once taught by Watchtower as significant but no longer supported since nothing happened.
  539 1780 1798 1799 1829 1840 1844 1846	1872 1874 1878 1880 1881 1891 1906 1910	19141 1915 1917 1918 1920 1921 1925 1926	1928 1932 1935 1940’s2 1951 19753 20004

  1. "But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226 Incredibly, today’s JW’s dishonestly prefer to rewrite history, claiming "Jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of "the conclusion of the system of things." Awake! 1973 Jan 22 p.8

  2. Most JW’s felt that this decade would be the final one based on Rutherford’s strong words, " . . . remaining months before Armageddon." Watchtower 1941 Sep 15 p.288

  3. Perhaps Watchtower’s most egregious date teaching known, the only one I know of where Watchtower actually apologized for its 9 year hype that implied Armageddon would be history by the time that 1975 rolled around, " . . . It may involve only a difference of weeks or months, not years." Watchtower 1968 Aug 15 p.499

  4. "Shortly, within our twentieth century, the "battle in the day of Jehovah" will begin against the modern antitype of Jerusalem, Christendom." The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah p. 216
  

  For those who like to count, there are 31 dates on this list. For those who like to find significance in numbers you won’t find it here. Yes, Baskin Robbins has advertised its 31 flavors of ice cream for many years but they would be insulted, and properly so, if someone linked them to Watchtower’s history of false teaching.

  The only significance in the above number is that Watchtower has been guilty of teaching the wrong things far too many times. That doesn’t mean that those exposing such blunders can’t capitalize on keeping a good count of the blunders.

  Therefore, “The 31 date blunders of Watchtower”, is the title of this post.

  Thanks to Paul over at JWFACTS.COM for a well documented expose' of these dates. Check him out at http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/1800s.php

  Len Miller
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  Name one Watchtower date that they got correct

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  it was the year 2011. remember that one?

  surprise, surprise -- it wasn't one of their predictions.

  it was from one of their competitors, harold camping.. "religious leaders sometimes predict tragic worldwide events to warn mankind and gather followers.

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  FatFreek 2005

  It was the year 2011. Remember that one?

  Surprise, Surprise -- it wasn't one of their predictions. It was from one of their competitors, Harold Camping.

  "RELIGIOUS LEADERS sometimes predict tragic worldwide events to warn mankind and gather followers. Doomsday prophet Harold Camping and his disciples widely advertised that the earth would be destroyed in 2011. Needless to say, the world is still here." Watchtower 2014 May 1 p.3

  I find it interesting that they called Camping a "Doomsday prophet".

  Do you suppose they look at themselves as doomsday prophets? I mean, when you consider that their failure record is far more egregious than Campings, it makes you wonder.

  Len
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  Jehovah is unjust (outrageous article on slavery in last WT for public)

  by Master_Bob in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  according to the last paragraph of the article entitled "escape from slavery—then and now" (wt#2, 2017).

  jehovah god felt grieved by the harsh treatment of israelite slaves in egypt; he must feel the same way about similar injustice today.. .

  if you call modern slavery "injustice", wasn't the slavery during moses time also "injustice"?

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  Ya'll are gonna have to give Jehovah a break -- he's been going through a learning curve. Those unfair practices were all old timey stuff -- the light must be getting brighter for him as well.

  Oh well, I tried.

  Just kidding, of course.
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  Numbers 31:17 and 18

  by schnell in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

  but all the women children that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.. *sigh*.

  it's not that i haven't seen this passage before.

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  Lots of things improved from those Hebrew scripture writings, permitted slavery, multiple wives, etc.

  Do you suppose Jehovah has gone through a learning curve?
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  Putin cronies caught again placing banned lit at the KH

  by Sanchy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  can these guys not see that there are surveillance cams all over the kh??

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  https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodourorganization/docid-802016753_1_video.

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  FatFreek 2005

  Do law enforcement officials in Russia wear hoods to keep their identities secret? If so, that's bizarre. Can anyone confirm this protocol?

  If so, this is a perfect way for Watchtower to stage this entire incident (and keep the actors hidden, not able to be verified) and others so they can broadcast how JWs are getting persecuted once more.

  You can't see it but I've got my tongue in my cheek.